The Accubrake reduces felt recoil by about 53%. Neck-sizing cases rather than full length sizing cases can extend the case life of cartridges. [22] Monolithic bullets such as the A-Square Monolithic Solid,[23] Barnes Banded Solid,[24] Supreme Nosler Solid[25] and more conventional tougher FMJ bullets such as the Hornady DGS[26] are good choices as they are able to withstand stresses placed on the bullets by the velocity of the .460 Weatherby Magnum. Weatherby ammunition is billed as Ultra Velocity Ammunition by Weatherby. I reloaded the 338-378 with very slow Hodgdon spherical powders and I got speeds up to 950 mt/sec . This will give you accurate shots and penetrate your targets with maximum velocity. The combination of velocity and bullets of very good sectional density contributes to the .460 Weatherby Magnum's excellent penetration on game provided the toughest bullets are employed for the task. The Makah people of the Pacific Northwest have used this rifle cartridge for decades hunting whales.[30]. The reason is the size of the bolt head. The .460 Weatherby Magnum accepts .458in (11.6mm) bullets. [50] Hornady's performance envelope for the .458 caliber 500-grain (32g) DGX and DGS bullets are between 2,600ft/s (790m/s) and 1,600ft/s (490m/s)[50] the same rating they had assigned earlier to the more lightly constructed InterLock bullet.[10]. Equipped with a muzzle brake, make sure to keep the spectators at a safe distance because the muzzle will be loud. The .338-378 Weatherby is currently the most powerful .338" factory cartridge. This primer was developed for the .470 Nitro Express and is currently used by Federal to load the cartridge.[52]. [20], As with other most other cartridges, the Weatherby's performance with mono-metal bullets is slightly poorer than with conventional bullets. I load the .300 RUM hot, mainly because it shoots the hot load more accurately. Starting at $1049 Being a modular and multi-caliber rifle system, the Ballista will give you unmatched versatility than most rifles out there. Jan 27, 2013 4,505 262 83 Jun 24, 2015 #2 Re: bolt face diameter caliber choices Nice. A few hundred feet per second in the barrel can really decrease the barrel life. The Lapua has a slight advantage in that it isn't a belted case like the big Weatherby is. [50] The new Hornady DGX and DGS bullets are now being loaded by Norma at the reduced velocity of 2,600ft/s (790m/s)[59] to coincide with the velocity rating of the tougher DGS and DGS 500-grain (32g) bullets. Im an expert reloader and I can state that the belted cartridge case of the 338-378 gave me no problem , as chambering and as head spacing . The reloader has a wide variety of components, bullets and powders available. The .460 Weatherby Magnum is designed to headspace on its belt. The biggest advantage that the 338 Edge has over the Lapua and Norma is that it can be safely built on a Savage. Combined with its lightweight body and 24-inch barrel, the magazine capacity should be more than enough for you. That extra 720ft lbs of power, will really shine at the 1 miles/ OR, 1,760 METER MARK. The recoil of the .460 Weatherby Magnum is severe. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. .338 Lapua is horrendously expensive to shoot (hunting ammo starts at roughly $80 per 20) and so is anything with Weatherby in its name (.300 Weather by starts at roughly $70 per 20). Due to the guns kinetic energy build up, this one will still hit the target at even longer distances than that! Another fun game of round comparison, this time pitting the ferocious 338-378 Weatherby Magnum and the military favored 338 Lapua Magnum. [11] Currently Weatherby provides .756 inches (19.2mm) of freebore for the .460 Weatherby in the Weatherby Mark V rifle. He had success with the cartridge in Africa shooting Cape buffalo and rogue elephants in 1956, a year before Weatherby began work on his own .45-caliber cartridge. Below is a chart comparing the 338 WBY RPM from our new 18 barrel to our standard 24 barrel. But if you use the improved version of the Lapua, it will also get you 100-150 fps more velocity as well and do so with less powder then the Rigby and no brass forming needed other then fireforming which is also needed with th e338-416. The 112 Magnum is a successor of the 111 long range hunter which was previously mentioned. Due to the large capacity case, charges less than 90% load density are not usually recommended. With 250 grain bullets, the Win Mag is pushing 2650, while the Lapua is just short of 3000 fps. This 111 long range model is one of the best .338 Lapua rifles of the Savage center fire line and rightfully so. The combination of this with the heavy barrel and laminate stock gives you the best firing rounds with minimal recoil. The .375 H&H is perhaps the best cartridge for African lions when loaded with 270 through 300-grain bullets which expand quickly. Having a match-grade trigger is the ideal complement to the .338 Lapura rifle, giving smoother shots and a more accurate shot trajectory. The .338 Lapua shooters are holding their own with the .50BMG shooters at the 1000 yard range compatition shoots here at the Ft Greely range. But some time later Norma was able to source a powder with similar burn characteristics locally which was used instead of DuPont's IMR 4350. The.460 Weatherby Magnum was developed as an African hazardous game rifle cartridge for hunting large, thick-skinned dangerous species in Africa. The Weatherby 257 is only about 250-300 fps faster than a standard 25/06,and you can make that up by shooting the 25/06 AI,and still use standard brass. It has an effective range past 1,500 meters. 4 barrel for the .460 Weatherby Magnum. Below is the comprehensive list of ballistics comparisons between all of the most popular calibers for handgun, rifle, and rimfire ammunition. While poor penetration due to bullet construction was not limited to the .460 Weatherby Magnum, the issue was more magnified in this cartridge than others due to the additional stress imposed on the bullet by the higher velocity of the cartridge as is the case with the .375 H&H Magnum cartridge firing the 300gr (19g) solids at 2,530ft/s (770m/s). Harvesting of bison, elk, moose and brown bear can however be accomplished by reducing the performance of the cartridge to match the requirements. The shortened barrel will actually help you in maneuvering quickly through the woods. [55] However, the .460 Weatherby Magnum was beset by penetration issues from the beginning. Although the recoil isnt too harsh, the Muzzle blast from a braked 388 can prove to be difficult for a new shooter to handle. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. The Lapua comes with a case capacity of 114.2 gr of water, while the 338-378 Weatherby holds 9.5% more at 125 gr of water. Constructed around a 26-inch barrel made of carbon-steel, the 111 Long range hunter is not one to be meddled with. Because of the unique specifications of .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges, a twist rate of at least 1:9" is needed to ensure a flat and stable bullet trajectory..338 Lapua Round . Proper bedding and properly installed recoil lugs and crossbolts can go a long way in preserving the integrity of the firearm chambered in cartridges such as the .460 Weatherby Magnum as functional implements. [5] Norma dropped the velocity of the cartridge to 2,650ft/s (810m/s)[57] while Hornady introduced the mechanically locked-in lead core InterLock bullets[58] in 1980 to improve the terminal ballistics of their bullets. This is due to Weatherby's (Norma) factory loaded ammunition using Hornady's DGS and DGX bullets which have identical G1 ballistic coefficients of .295. 338 Lapua Magnum. Thank you ! The resulting factory ammunition is about 100ft/s (30m/s) slower than early Weatherby Ammunition. -, Nosler vs Lapua Brass Which One Is Better? With its large barrel and heavy-duty body, this rifle can penetrate body armor from a distance of over 1000 meters. Compared to the more popular .458 Winchester Magnum and the .458 Lott, the .460 Weatherby Magnum provides a flatter trajectory, dropping less than 10-inch (25cm) at 300-yard (270m) when sighted in at 200-yard (180m) with the 450 gr. Just four years after the release of the .338 Winchester, Roy Weatherby countered with his own take on the .338-inch-bore diameter: the .340 Weatherby Magnum. The B.C. It should also be noted that the 338 Lapua has a gentler shoulder that should translate into slightly better feeding. You must log in or register to reply here. He accomplished this by necking up the .378 Weatherby Magnum case to accept a .458 caliber bullet. The .338 WBY RPM utilizes a non-belted, non-venturi shoulder case and includes a rebated rim. [49] Unlike the earlier Pendleton muzzle brake, the Accubrake is a removable, screw-on type brake. [10] Subsequently, Hornady introduced the 500-grain (32g) InterBond FMJ (IB-FMJ) and RN (IB-RN) bullets which featured a brass jacket with a welded lead core. At the 250yd (230m) mark, the .460 Weatherby has enough remaining energy and velocity to make quick kills on elephant. Can you tell me where the gun was manufactured (Barrel stamp?) In addition bullets there are several hard cast .458in (11.6mm) diameter bullets that are compatible with the .460 Weatherby Magnum. That 9.5% more capacity does translate into faster speeds. The first rifles for the .460 Weatherby Magnum were built on Brevex Magnum Mauser action. When buying this rifle, you can choose whether you want a five round magazine or a ten round model carrying the stock .338 ammo. [6] Norma would later purchase the company and rename the powder Norma 204. [35] The rifle stock is also designed with a generous cast off to help tame the heavy recoil of the .460 Weatherby Magnum. Weatherby takes great pride when they talk about the construction of their rifles, made from only the best quality steel, durability will not be an issue. The .460 Weatherby Magnum is a belted, bottlenecked rifle cartridge, developed by Roy Weatherby in 1957. Other rifles might seem difficult to handle and recoil control is a major issue. Nosler I lump these together because they're identical in their ballistics and what they'll do. These are both big, long rounds that feel more like artillery than a rifle. Being a member of the military, this rifle is nothing short of being a heavy-hitter. But I understand the soul , the beauty and efficiency of a great cartridge , and I would never change my 338-378 Weath with the politically correct 338 Lapua ! The .460 Weatherby Magnum has served as the immediate parent cartridge of several proprietary and wildcat cartridges. The .460 Weatherby Magnum is no longer considered a proprietary cartridge as the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) established voluntary specifications for the cartridge in January 1994. [8], The .460 Weatherby Magnum case uses a necked up .378 Weatherby Magnum case. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. For long-range challenges and competitions, the 338 Lapua is the best candidate for you. Roy Weatherby contacted Charles L. Horn, the founder of Federal Cartridge Company and explained his problem. In 2023 a new or used Weatherby Mark V value varies depending on supply and demand. Savages relatively inexpensive 111 Long Range Hunter, the Remington 700 XCR Tactical or 700 Police, or even the McMillan Long Range Hunting Rifle could be used. Since then, however, Weatherby has backed off from these pressures. In terms of hunting, you need to be very still and quiet in order to catch the animal by surprise. And 210 more fps. Tough to carve a niche when you . Views: 26 Oct 8, 2017 #7 Broz LRO Owner~Editor~Long Range Hunting Specilist. Also the 378 based mag box and bullet follower work perfectly because it is a flat top follower and the magazine can be tuned to fit the Lapua case. Prior to the Weatherby's arrival, the .600 Nitro Express had been the most powerful cartridge[3] but the .460 Weatherby Magnum eclipsed this, and was the world's most powerful commercially available sporting cartridge for 29 years until the advent of the .700 Nitro Express. can you please share your loading data?,i have been trying different powders at diverse loads,still not happy with grouping results. A combination of solids and expanding bullets may be used against these big game. Penetration", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.460_Weatherby_Magnum&oldid=1128722596, 465gr (30.1g) and 500gr (32g) Triad (Monolithic, Dead Tough & Lion Load) bullets, 300gr (19g) HP; 350gr (23g) RN and FP; 480gr (31g) DGS & DGX; 500gr (32g) RN-IB, 300gr (19g) Partition; 500gr (32g) PP partition & solid, 400gr (26g) A Frame; 450gr (29g) A Frame; 500gr (32g) A Frame, 400gr (26g) PP-SN; 480gr (31g) RN-SN & FMJ; 500gr (32g) PP-SN, RN-SN & FMJ; 550gr (36g) RN-SN & FMJ, This page was last edited on 21 December 2022, at 17:06. The .460 Weatherby is one of the very few rifle cartridges approved by the International Whaling Commission for the harvesting of whales. [40] Factory ammunition are relatively expensive costing between $6.00 and 8.50 per cartridge. JavaScript is disabled. The .375 H&H Magnum produces more than 35 ft.-lbs. 338 Lapua Magnum; 338 Remington Ultra Magnum; 338 Winchester Magnum; 338-06 A-Square; 338-378 Weatherby Magnum; 340 Weatherby Magnum; 35 Whelen; . The cartridge generates close to 100ftlbf (140J) of energy. Norma Precision manufactured brass is headstamped as Weatherby (as opposed to Norma) as they are under contract by Weatherby to manufacture Weatherby Ammunition. This is particularly helpful in the times when you will fire multiple rounds in rapid succession. If you ask us, thats enough ammo for any sort of rifle related activity. Considering the wide range of firearm manufacturers producing the same caliber rifles, it can be quite confusing to choose the best .338 Lapua rifles for you. On paper the .460 Weatherby Magnum has better penetration than most other rifle cartridges including the .577 Tyrannosaur, .585 Nyati, .600 Overkill and the Nitro Express line of cartridges. Furthermore, this lessens the need to compensate for bullet drop and target size. SAAMI defines the length to the shoulder as the demarcation point where the bottom of inside curvature radius (corresponding roughly to CIP's r1) of the shoulder begins and the length to the neck as where the outside curvature radius (approximating CIP's r2) meets the neck. [52] All reloading manuals provide loading data using only this particular primer to develop reloading data for the .460 Weatherby Magnum. In addition to having a really long effective range, the cartridge is also (allegedly) capable of penetrating military body armor at ranges in excess of 1,000 yards. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 1200 past is were the 338lm starts to pull away from the 300win. But that doesnt mean you should always choose a sniper with a long barrel length, because the longer the barrel the more the weight. of water (9.17cm3). But Lapua is only a little powerful, with much more availability! J E CUSTOM highridge1 Well-Known Member Joined Jan 24, 2008 Other rifles in the similar class to the . This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Military acceptance of the 338 Lapua as an extended range sniping round has increased civilian interest and now there are lots of tactical and hunting rifles becoming available in 338 Lapua. With its simplistic dark color, this rifle screams danger. The motion of the trigger on the Barrett MRAD is exceptionally fluid, allowing you to focus on your aim and recoil more. When Roy Weatherby began working with the .378 Weatherby Magnum, the parent cartridge of the .460 Weatherby Magnum, he found the primers of the day to be unreliable. The .458 Winchester Magnum and the .458 Lott have a 206-yard (188m) and 220-yard (200m) MPBR respectively in comparison. Case availability on the 338 Lapua is OK, with fantastic quality Lapua cases fairly readily available. This is in keeping with Newton's Third Law of Motion: Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This next rifle on the list is the Mark V Tacmark Elite by Weatherby. [9] Frequently the powder charges for the .460 Weatherby Magnum can weigh well in excess of 120gr (7.8g); in comparison a powder charge for the .458 Winchester Magnum rarely weighs over 80gr (5.2g).[10]. Some cool, some very funny to read you know somehow they always turn into mines better than yours. The good sectional density and ballistic coefficients of these bullets, particularly spitzer bullets available, give the cartridge the ability to conserve velocity in flight and provide deep penetration on game. The designer, Roy Weatherby, took advantage of the longer case to pack in more powder for eleven greater velocities. Barnes TSX Weatherby ammunition. 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